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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Time for a Bible Lesson . . . AFTER the Resurrection of Christ - there are souls in Heaven. they are NOT in Hades. This parable does NOT address what is taught in Hebrews 12:1, wherein, there is "so great a cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    And, as I educated you back in post #33 - the Bible that Jesus and the NT writers studied from ALSO had the Maccabean Books - and the other 5 Deuterocanonical Books you reject, YOU hold to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple Canon that was declared by a FALSE Prophet who also declared a FALSE Christ...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Another exercise in complete ignorance. The Church proclaims Moses to be in Heaven. WHY would you claim that is would be "sinfully presumptuous" for a Catholic to agree with the Church??
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Can you show me where the Bible differentiates?? Chapter and Verse, please . . .
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Perhaps then, YOU can show me some official documents that pertain to the Holy "Roman" Catholic Church?? This should be easy for you . . . As to Heb. 12:1 - it IS talking about those who died in faith - and the fact they are are now "so great a cloud of witnesses". It goes on to say that we...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    And one would have to reach an Adam Schiff level of dishonesty to say that asking as fellow member of the Body of Christ to pray for you is "necromancy" . . .
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Wanna BET?? As I already educated you - Heb. 12:1 explicitly states: Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us. A witness is somebody who sees and...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Do you even know WHY you reject the 7 Deuterocanonical Books of Scripture?? Apparently NOT - so let me educate you . . . About 40 years after Jesus died and rose from the dead, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. The Temple was desecrated and completely destroyed. Jesus foretold that this...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Do you even know what "necromancy" is?? Apparently NOT - so let me educate you . . . Necromancy is seeking oracles from the dead - trying to glean information from them. That is what "necromancy" is. Asking a deceased brother or sister in Christ who is very much ALIVE in the eternal presence...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    This is absolutely false and shows an ignorance of Scripture. Heb. 12:1 explicitly states: Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us. A witness is...
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    Praying to the Saints in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Uh huh, because he is very much ALIVE in the presence of God - just like the saints in Heaven . . .
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    WRONG. Here is the source for the Third century document from Tertullian (Di Pudicitia): Tertullian.org/works/de_pudicitia.htm Tertullian : De pudicitia Check your "facts" . . .
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    And I've already proven this wrong. Thank God we have the writings of the Early Church, huh?
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    WRONG. Don’t make false, unsubstantiated claims. Here is the source for the Third century document from Tertullian (Di Pudicitia): Tertullian.org/works/de_pudicitia.htm Tertullian : De pudicitia And for the record – so far YOU’RE the only one making “revisionist” claims. I’ve backed up mine...
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    WRONG. From the THIRD Century – Tertullian’s Di Pudicitia: I hear that there has even been an edict set forth, and a peremptory one too. The Pontifex Maximus -that is, the bishop of bishops -issues an edict: "I remit, to such as have discharged (the requirements of) repentance, the sins both...
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    And, as I told you before - the Pope was called "Pontifex Maximus" - LONG before Christianity was ever made legal in the Roman Empire - while the Church was STILL being persecuted showing that this was not a title bestowed by Rome - but by fellow Christians. STUDY your history . . .
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    Just as I thought. NOWHERE does it deem “anathema” anybody who preaches Christ crucified nor does is condemn the idea that that trough His death and resurrection we have salvation. This was just another historically-bankrupt, anti-Catholic claim.
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    The Pope was referred to as "Pontifex Maximus", which simply means "Greatest Bridge Builder" - as fa back as the early 3rd century - while the persecution of the Church was STILL going on. Study your history . . .
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    No - @Adonia stated: "All I can say is this, the Catholic Church preaches Christ crucified, that through His death and resurrection (which is the focus of our worship service by the way) we have salvation." YOU, then made the following claim: "Then, according to the Council of Trent, you're...
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    To the Catholics visiting the Baptist forum.

    Care to show us where Trent calls "anathema" those who preach Christ crucified, or teach that that through His death and resurrection we have salvation?? I eagerly await your intelligent response . . .
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