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Well what is justice? It can be said to be the carrying out of punishment. Indeed there's even the expression used in common speech, 'Justice was done". It's true the word "hate" is used but it's used in a metonymy or rather hyperbolic fashion. I'd kindly suggest one has to rightly divide...

Yes God is love. Because God hates sinful actions does not mean he hates people. Because God is LOVE he walks in perfect holiness for LOVE is the perfection of the law. Because God is LOVE he must be just which requires judgment for wrong doing. Because God is LOVE again he walks in...

Love and Justice are joined hand in hand. A universe without Justice is a universe without LOVE so yes so when God brings about judgement it's still a manifestation of his character of LOVE.

Yes I'd say you did. Yes he does but don't take out of CONTEXT what I'm saying. Yes he does and his purposes are LOVE. By saying that that does not go to say that God has to bring judgement on certain ones of his creation which he has to do to be just but justice is a manifestation of LOVE...

Sorry but the sad thing is you took hold of the wrong thing. With all due respect what you needed to come to grips with is that in order to maintain his character of LOVE he couldn't step in and prevent the fall. LOVE allows FREEDOM of choice. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. 2...

Nope. You're sadly mistaken. God ordained that mankind would have free will to choose. He did this because he is love. Nothing more nothing less.

But you still reject the idea that someone can REJECT it and not accept it as theirs. Yes the intent of the Father was for it actually to be theirs but the actual realization of it being theirs only takes place when it's received. Don't believe it? Ask a man who bought a diamond ring for a woman...

So why does thinking about it to believe disqualify true belief?

Well ladies and gentlemen. I guess the question that needs to be asked is can you buy into a concept that you have to free wills. One that isn't free and the other which is and yet they BOTH ARE free will. I don't mean to be unkind but do you find this emoticon comes to mind? Confused So seeing...

You said man DID have FREE WILL prior to being saved. Than you switched that and said man's will isn't FREE until being saved. Sorry Dave but you need to have accountability for the things you say and not always trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat to divert attention away from your...

I agree. It's like the Compatibilists are really trying to make their paradigm more acceptable with the public. Buyer needs to beware though! When you take the wraps off of what they say it's still the hard line position of the others and wise is the one who doesn't allow anyone to them them...

Good grief 1689Dave! Here you advocate non-born again people DO NOT have FREE WILL! But your statements just prior you stated that they did (see your quote in blue below) 1689Dave said: Free will permeates the world as far as it concerns law. The law holds people responsible based on their...

But then again you want nothing less than for mankind of be a mere automation as really all Calvinists demand. Sorry Dave but this places you in a position of knowing very little of the true character of God.

Well my friend maybe you need to dig a little deeper to get proper CONTEXT of things. I think you would be even more amazed to find out that God is a lot more merciful than you've ever dared to imagine as in he loves every single person on the planet? Please give it some thought. :Cool

Well at least you have a stance that mankind after the fall had FREE WILL. You appear to me as an oddity among Calvinist/Reformed or whatever you call yourself. Sorry but I still don't agree with nearly everything you say but you're on the right track on at least one thing...mankind HAS FREE WILL.

Sorry Dave you fail to go back to the home base passage from which Paul was quoting in Jer 18:8 where it reveals the clay was given a choice what it's destiny would be. It didn't say he knows how to deliver the elect or reserve the Non Elect. It says the godly or the unjust. So if one is...

Look up all scriptures about God's love and forgiveness which you could find dozens of them. Read them and maybe record them, listen to them night and day until the truth of them sinks down in your heart. I suppose other Christians have told you that the Bible says this and that is that true? It...

Yes and that's the crux of the matter right there. I hear Calvinists exclaim over and over sinners deserve punishment but over something that always was totally out of their control with no option to rectify the situation. I think it stuns and shocks men of reasonable minds as they ask they...

Well I suppose I'm one of the nameless ones, although well...I do have a name good friend. But here's the so what.....I and other Non-Calvinists have been told many times from Calvinists that if one would like to know their beliefs one should go to Calvinists and find them out and not go to...

No there isn't any shortage on either side of people who may indeed have the right doctrine but the wrong spirit in who they are and how the present themselves. Jesus said be wise as serpents and harmless as doves and that should speak to everyone in whatever camp. Sadly many won't allow it to...