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Yes---a temptation can be real even if a person does not have intent to follow through. The Greek word for temptation actually has 2 meanings (translated ether temptation or test). The term is Peirazo- & when translated temptation normally means an enticement to get a person to go/act contrary...

That’s a good question—but in short- I think it comes down to her focus not being on God-but on herself. Jesus never focused on himself but always on the Father’s will.

That’s exactly what I’m saying---In the wilderness for example, Satan’s very suggestion made it a legitimate temptation, but by his own will (which was submitted to the Father & empowered by the Spirit) he resisted. He never actually entertained the thought (as we with a sin nature might do)...

I think I see what your saying---so you completely affirm that he was legitimately tempted (ie had to actually resist the devil in the wilderness), but that he never entertained the temptation to sin like we do (ie he had the thought, possibly b/c Satan put it there, but immediately did the...

Very true---So basically (although the slight difference of opinion about temptation in the Garden) we both agree that he suffered real temptation in his earthly life—although they were unique to who he was (ie they might not be the exact temptations we face) they were real nonetheless & had to...

Well I can see what ur saying—but a ‘cup’ is often the symbol of divine wrath against sin in the OT (isa 51:17, 22; jer 25:15-17, 27-29;lam 4:21, 22, Ezek 23:31-34; Hab 2:16) so I personal believe it was a prayer for strength or another option, but I wouldn’t yell heresy if u disagreed with...

Rev--Besides the slight difference in if Jesus was tempted in the Garden---what exactly is it that we are disagreeing on-lol

I personally feel the very prayr for strength (or another option) implies temptation---yet he never Veered from the Father’s will.

I'll even add to your argument that the present participe in Lk 4:2 means that there were more temptations from Satan. And I sill agree word for word on everything else--where is it that we differ (except where i think he was tempted in the Garden & u dont) besides that I feel like were saying...

I agree---but that does not negate a temptation (ie from Satan or even his own thoughts) to not go through with it (thus asking for another way or even the strength to make it through). Temptation itself is not the sin, acting on the temptation is.

I can see where you would say that his temptations were different than ours—simply b/c we don’t have the ability to turn stones to bread (at least I personally don’t), or it was not the Father’s plan for me to suffer His full wrath on the cross so I would not ever have to ask if there was...

Hey-I agree--but how is this negating temptation? And even more importantatly how is it that Matt 4:1 says he was driven by the Spirit to b tempted by Satan in the wilderness, if he never faced real temptation

I really don’t have a problem with your overall analysis—but I still don’t see how that negates temptation to do otherwise---honestly I think we agree up to every point, except that he did not face real temptation.

Having intentions to do something & being tempted to do otherwise do not necessarily counteract each other—I just don’t see how what you said negates temptation---hey I could be wrong---but asking for strength to make it would actual seem to imply a temptation to not do it. Esp since he said not...

I think that’s a very reasonable point—although I don’t fully agree---do you believe he was not tempted in the Garden of Gethsemane to not go to the cross although it was the Father’s will?

Free—I don’t understand what your saying--& since I’m working on a sermon about Matt 4:1-11; Heb 2:16-18; & Heb 4:14-16 for this Sunday—I’d be interested in knowing what you find to be problematic with Christ being legitimately tempted? I’m not following your use of Jam 1:14—could u please explain

I can honestly say—I have no problem what so ever with that response---hmmm—so does that mean I’m less Reformed than I think I am, or---are you more reformed than you think you are?---lol-;)--I’ll go with choice “c” ---we both understand the reality of mystery when it comes to truly...

I think that’s a very good question! I think the answer lies in the perspective we are looking at---it would seem from the human side it appears that God choose between two options, but from God’s side He already knew what choice He was going to make—so there really were not two options---but...

So will come out & say that you believe there are things that God does not know (even if its by His own choosing)?

Didn’t you just say all of this in another thread!---- Are you really just a spammer stuck on repeat! Hmmm-I’m beginning to wonder!:confused: