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And look at what we have today. Thousands of denominations and sects all pointing and declaring each other heretics. Each one believes they have it just right....pat pat pat on da back! :tongue3: Take away all the theological mumbo jumbo and just read the scriptures with each other and there...

Thanks for the info and quotes! :thumbsup: Now was this considered "new" theology/doctrine of the day? Or did all agree with him at the time?

Yeah......that "doctrines of grace" phrase likes to get hijacked by Calvinist. I believe the bible's doctrines of grace, just not Calvin's version. So you say Augustine wrote concerning what we call Calvinism today, which is men have to be born again before they believe, or in order to...

We shouldn't consider ourselves "adversaries". If Jesus is our LORD, having been born again, then we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. All we do here on these boards is strive to understand these deep issues as best we can seeing how we are imperfect human beings capable of many errors...

This is an interesting statement. What is the cut off date for doctrine not to be considered "new"? 900, 1000, 1100, 1400, etc? I'm curious when the first non biblical writing was on Calvinism?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet? I personally have not found any who believe or teach any such doctrine. It seems you have come across some who do. Could you please provide sources of those who teach this?

Here is were people get hung up on the if God wills it thing. We have to accept the fact, even if we cannot fully comprehend it, that within God's will God has given His creation their own will and freedom to exercise said will. Look at this passage were Jesus pleads His will out to a...

You are concluding that Adam had no idea what God was telling him to do and not do. Adam had no knowledge of good and evil, but surely he knew what it meant to not eat something. A little child does not need to understand good and evil to obey their parent when their daddy says do not eat these...

Read carefully though what you just wrote. The condemnation did not come until AFTER Adam sinned, thus, Adam had NO condemnation prior to his sinning. If you wish to apply Ro 8:1 to Adam, then you will have to apply it even before the fall, and you will have to conclude that Adam was indeed in...

Would you say Adam did not have the Spirit of Christ then, even before his fall? Not sure that follows, seeing how those with faith now still make decisions to sin. What of Adam then? Using your interpretation of Satan, it could be said that Adam was created evil with sin embedded in him...

What has happened in this Calvinism verses Arminianism debate is two extreme conclusions, and unbiblical ones both, are created. Calvinism goes to the extreme of God's will is void of God allowing His creation to exercise a God given free will. Arminianism goes to the extreme of God's will...

Not sure I follow this reasoning, it sounds like you are saying Adam was created a sinner because you believe Adam was not created "with faith". Yet after God finished creating Adam and Eve, God said His creation was "very good". I don't believe God would have said such a thing if Adam was...

Where do you get an understanding that Adam was or was not created with faith?

Setting speculation aside, if it was God's will that Adam should never sin, then you would have to conclude that Adam's will trumped God's will.

I didn't say God tempted Adam to sin. God saw to it that Adam would choose by his own free will to sin. Thus, carrying out God's will and purpose. No fall, no glorification of Jesus Christ, who was slain from the foundation of the world. It is God's plan, God's will that Christ should be...

Amen! And the LORD's will was for Adam and Eve's eyes to be opened, that Jesus Christ might be glorified!

These are good examples of the Holy Spirit's omnipresence. Always working in all places at all times.

I already said it depends on the context. I'm not sure who doesn't accept that.

I believe that should be obvious since I am the one who brought it up. :tongue3:

Could go either way depending on context. As always, one must seek God and pray the Holy Spirit bring them understanding. I often wonder how many Christians actually seek the Holy Spirit's understanding of what has been written for us, and how many Christian's try to just analyze the Word...