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A good word study to do is the word "draw" in Jn 6:44. It has a huge bearing on one's theology and view of God's sovereignty in salvation. Those of the non-calvi persuasion will argue that it does not mean to coerce, pull, drag, or draw (in the sense of drawing a sword or bow or fishing...

pffff This is not how you study words and their meanings. And lest we forget, the word in question was not even used in Lk 5. I am really at a loss for how to respond to this. There are so many logical errors here I am not sure where to begin. At the basic level... "to pull" or "drag"...

I believe nothing of the sort. Try reading post 15 and see to whom I am applying meaningless to. Try to understand the context of what I am saying and posing as a theoretical framework. Try... Yeah... logic is so overrated... who needs it? Here is the problem (which I'm sure you will either...

I guess some do, but I think the majority of Calvi's know what non-calvi's believe. But I might just be over-generalizing and placing myself in others' situations since I used to be a non-calvi w/ similar views as yours.

Did any Calvinist read this and say, "Oh... that's what you believe"?

Actualy, I would dispute that and say that every occasion can replace the word "pull" or "drag". For instance, consider Jn 18:10 when the same word is used. It is in reference to pulling or drawing a sword from its scabbard. Jn 21:6 used the same word for pulling, dragging, or drawing in the...

I appreciate what you are saying. And I am delighted that a commercial was quoting Scripture. If you notice, I was just looking for "responses" from Calvinist. It was not meant to be a critique of displaying the commercial. I am happy they quoted that verse on TV. My "response" is only that...

Still think monergism and synergism is the way to go here.

Pontification... not surprising And what do you base your definition of "world" on... yourself??? Your theology??? You system? "Draw" means drag in every other place it is used. Plus the English word "draw" was used 500 years ago and kept in English translations. However, its true...

Yet another fruitless discussion. If you read carefully, I never accused YOU of universalism, only that the logic of your VIEW leads to it. Quite a distinction, although I'm not sure you will see it. Is this how you "win" debates... "that's your logic which is wrong" and expect that to be...

Actually I don't know you at all. And I think you totally missed the point of what I was saying. Definitely not a stall tactic. But such an accusation reveals more about your character. Your logic is as follows... your view of Scripture teaches that "world" in John 3:16 means the "whole...

I'm not "forgetting" anything. I don't view salvation and grace as a potential act that requires my choice to accept. I view salvation and grace as a divine, effectual act that requires none of me and all of God. And still... the concept of propitiation of the whole world is a meaningless...

I was referring to a different poster and John 3:16. The poster was saying essentially, "I have no problem w/ the commercial b/c that is what Jesus said." But they added in their own commentary on a few words and emphases that some of us interpret differently.

And he disposed of all the world's sins???

No... Jesus didn't say exactly that... because they expounding on the word "world" which may or not mean every single human being. And the emphasis in the Greek is not "whosoever" but "the one who believes." So faith is the issue not all the people of the world.

If you didn't see it, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIdq_SipL-A&feature=share Will there be any statements on the commercial's use of "world" as including "everyone" and "anyone"??? Thoughts? I'm not a fan and see it as misleading. I find that John's use of "world" refers to...

Where are you doing your ThM??? That might help. I have thought about the same track (ThM from SEBTS and a PhD from SATS since I'm out of the country).

It may help if we avoided the term "definite article" which implies that the Greek article implies definiteness and has an indefinite article. The first is a contextual matter, one of many uses of the article and the second is not true. If we started calling it the Greek article, that would...

Back to the OP... How about monergism and synergism?

He does a good job insisting that the NT cannot be correctly understood in a biblical theological sense unless the story of the OT is first consulted and understood. His view of the metanarrative of Scripture is the "new creational kingdom" started in the garden of Eden and to be consummated in...