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That's part of the problem, douloi were not typically owned. They were hired to pay a debt. Thus "slave" does not communicate that biblical truth which you want to argue for.

I said that b/c you called "doulos" a translation when in fact it is the word of the original language. You are arguing for a translation of "doulos" which I think is valid but not correct here. Thus you are demonstrating that you are not capable to discuss with much measure of data or...

You have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an error. Translation is fluid and ever-changing to keep up with the changing culture. Language is the same. When it comes to the word doulos, the historical concept is someone who was paid to work off a debt or was too poor to pay...

Doulos is the Greek word, not a translation. Case and point that you are the last person who should be arguing for proper translation philosophy. You know very little about loyalty and clearly little about the original language (and history). I don't mind the word slave, but it does not...

Clearly you have not been following the train of thought here. We are not changing the word of God. We are merely arguing for a translation that best fits the society of the receptor language. A "bondservant" is closer to the meaning than "slave" b/c douloi were paid back in the day. It was...

But if "doulos" translated as "slave" doesn't connote the same concept that we think of, then it is the wrong translation. It has nothing to do w/ Bible study. It has everything to do w/ proper translation philosophy.

Slavery in ancient times does not equal slavery that we know of. So using the word "slave" may not communicate the most accurate thought. It has nothing to do w/ political correctness. It has to do w/ the most effective way to communicate the original language in the new language.

Take from it what you want. But when you come up w/ these definitions and then assert them towards Scripture, who then is the final authority in interpretation? And why ask the Bible a question that it never meant to answer. This is my contention with the bi-tripartite debate. The Bible...

YOu can see all the changes at the link below provided by crossway. Save yourself the trouble and just follow the link. http://d3p91it5krop8m.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/misc/esv_2011_changes.html

You made my point. Scripture never set out to define those words or concepts. And yet here we are trying to force meanings on them that correspond to logic and reason and necessity. Even more is based on theological inferences and doctrinal principles from other areas of dogma to reach a...

This thread is full of a lot of hooey. Mere speculation and reading more into Scripture than was intended to define. Anything outside of "one of the race of Adam" is probably reaching farther than Scriptures intended to define.

That's your son?!?! I had a class w/ him when he audited the textual criticism w/ Dr. Robinson! I think that was him. He is writing (wrote?) his dissertation on 1 Peter right? Sharp kid! Wish I could have been there to hear him. Dr. Black (also my mentor) has been a wonderful influence...

This thread is interesting. What do we mean by a literal translation? Is it one that simply gives a gloss meaning for each and every word in the original (even when that makes no sense in the translation), i.e. a wooden translation? Is it a word to word equivalent assuming that grammar is...

Byzantine priority is definitely minority amongst a discipline where there is no longer an outright winner. But I would still say that the most outspoken voice with the most widely recognized leaders would definitely be the reasoned eclectic camp. But I think that their view has many holes...

If you guys want to see that antiquity of the Byzantine text... might I recommend Harry Sturz's book The Byzantine Text-Type and New Testament Textual Criticism (you might need to go to a good theological library to find it). It does a good job of demonstrating from a non-biased viewpoint that...

How about "one of the race of Adam."

I don't know that you are going to find this cake and eat it too. If you are impressed w/ Andersonville, then maybe you should just stay with them. What degree are you thinking about? PS-I am in no way endorsing Andersonville... at all!

Historic Premill's use the term as well. It is just the reference to understanding the reign of God being active and present now. It is also understanding that Jesus' message of the reign of God was eschatological in that it was the message undergirding the OT prophets and the restoration of...

covering or washing usually associated w/ sin.

Not to answer for Ruiz, but my biggest grip is the discontinuity it makes w/ the OT, the Gospel accounts, and the NT. To put it another way, there is too much disconnect between the OT and Jesus' life, ministry, and teachings as well as too much disconnect from Jesus' life, ministry, and...