Featured Was Judas Born-Again and Then Lost?

Jesus was speaking from the point of view of the future. When the kingdom is established (in the future) you who followed Me (in the past) will set on the thrones.

Judas didn’t follow in the past from the point of view of the establishment of the kingdom, he betrayed Jesus instead.

To answer your question directly, Judas didn’t lose his salvation, he was never saved. None of the disciples were “saved” when Jesus made the statement.

The mark, or seal, of salvation is indwelling Holy Spirit. The disciples do not receive indwelling Holy Spirit until after the resurrection. John 20:19 or so. Judas was already dead at that point.

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John says that “he was a devil from the beginning”


John 8::44
John 6:70

 

In Matthew 19, Jesus is answering Peter’s question. Peter said they had forsaken everything and followed Him. Peter was asking what his reward would be for following Jesus. Jesus responded that those that followed Him would set on the thrones. Judas, obviously, did not forsake everything to follow Jesus. The statement doesn’t apply to Judas.

Luke 22, Jesus speaks of those that continued with Him in His temptations. Judas, obviously, did not continue with Jesus in His temptations. The statement doesn’t apply to Judas.

Judas didn’t lose his salvation. He was never saved.

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The context of the the passage determines the meaning. Peter claimed they had forsaken all things to follow Jesus and ask what their reward would be for doing so.

That is the context of Jesus saying those that follow Him would sit on the thrones.

If they didn’t forsake all things and follow Him, the the statement doesn’t apply. Judas didn’t forsake all things to follow Jesus so the statement doesn’t apply and was never saved so he didn’t lose his salvation.

Same with the passage in Luke.

Scripture in context should explain it.

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The disciples were born-again Jews like Abraham was born-again. Faith is a fruit of that. Judas was not or he would have overcome his sin.

 

I disagree. The disciples didn’t understand or believe what Jesus was telling them. Unlike Abraham, their “faith” failed when Jesus was arrested. They fled. Peter denied even knowing Jesus.

To be “born again” is a work of God Holy Spirit per John 3. The mark and seal of salvation is indwelling Holy Spirit. The disciples didn’t receive indwelling Holy Spirit until after the resurrection per John 20.

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[That is one of two interpertations. The other at Pentecost Acts of the Apostles 2 per John 16:7 per Acts of the Apostles 1:8.]

 

Please note the words in the verse Mat 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world,when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Would Christ Jesus have known that Judas would betray Him? YES. So when He said "you who have followed me" it would be those that were His followers at that time. This would exclude Judas. Plus none of the disciples would have been saved at that time as Christ Jesus had not been crucified as of yet.

 

Please note the words in the verse Mat 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world,when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Please note the time reference that is made. "when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne". When did that happen? Was Judas still part of the disciples? NO So he would not be part of the group that followed Christ Jesus.

Another way you can look at it is did Judas really follow Christ Jesus? He was part of the group but He did not follow Him. We have people that say they are Christians but do not really follow Christ Jesus as is evident by their lifestyle.

 

Many Jews were born again. The disciples had faith which comes from the New Birth. As did Abraham and those listed in Hebrews 11.

 

The Holy Spirit was with the born-again in most cases before Pentecost. The Holy Spirit then became present in ALL Believers.

 

How does ones presence in a room make them redeemed, sbg? Many people are in the church, hearing the gospel, who are not redeemed.
The evidence from Judas life is that he never had his sins reconciled and forgiven by God. The Apostles never give any indication that Judas heart was changed or that he had been born again. Instead they reveal a habitual thief who saw Jesus as his means into wealth.