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I think the reformed Christian rap is a burgeoning field that has better theology than most of your modern praise songs and even some older hymns. It is lyrical, poetic theology set to a beat. It is awesome! Shai Linne is one of my favs. BTW... Lecrae is not blending the message of Jesus w/...

Because this is a penultimate concept. It does not get to the ultimacy of God. If the grandest concept of God is that he saves you, then you are the idol! I prefer to think of the Gospel as all about the glory of God (2 Cor. 4:4-6). The ultimate issue at stake here is God's supremacy not...

I certainly hope that is not the most profound theological truth considered by man. I'd believe it if you said that was the most profound theological truth considered by Van (see what I did there? :D).

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That is a larger issue, but I'll just cut to the quick and say no I do not believe so.

The house of God (Bethel) is not heaven but the temple. So you've already made a simple blunder by inserting neo-platonic theology in the Bible (the mystical, ethereal plane called "heaven" as if we are going to escape this world and live w/ God in his; contra the entirety of God's actions in...

What? You disagree w/ the conclusion or the method of arriving at the conclusion? Either way, I have proof to back up my assertion. You have dispensationalism. I'll take the former. Have at the latter. I've been there. Got the t-shirt. Can't say the after taste is all that pleasant.

You seem incapable of reading my posts. I don't deny the church universal. But its visible expression is the local church. As such, places like 1 Cor. 11:18 seem to indicate that the Lord's Supper was for when the local church came together as the church.

You live under a rock??? You weren't aware of non-dispensational views of eschatology? How are you a moderator? The idea of an eschatological banquet is part of one long apocalyptic tradition. It is found in the gospels as well as other ancient jewish apocalyptic literature. IN other...

How about a Biblical answer? 1 Cor. 11:18ff. is all about the Lord's Supper and prefaced with "when you come together as a church". I think Paul wrote with the understanding that this ordinance was supposed to be administered in the local church under the leadership of elders.

Can't you be both/and yet still take a firm view of the role of the local church? The local church being the physical display of the body of Christ is the main institution that is discussed in the NT. And why would the church universal practice something that was intended for the local church?

Could para-church organizations administer them? How about a group of believers just gathering but not under any leadership of elders who watch over their souls?

The gospel is summarized in its shortest statement in 3 words: "Jesus is Lord." 2Co 4:5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God...

I could also add on the list Piper's books Desiring God or even God is the Gospel. Very informative for my thinking. As others said, just picking one is impossible. So many writers have influenced my thinking. Some of them were just journal articles, not books.

Not bad. I was thinking of his book on the resurrection since it is so long (and tedious thus challenging). But then I haven't read his magnum opus 2 vol. set on Paul yet. Christopher Wright's Mission of God was quite challenging spiritually as well as academically. One of my favorites!

One more time for the Admins or whoever.

I didn't realize so many of you felt this way... kinda wish I didn't start this thread at all. Sorry to my Calvie brethren. Admin: not that you need my permission, but you certainly have my approval to close this one down.

Progressive as it may be, thought patterns, language, concepts, and theology of the NT primarily stem from the OT w/ a smidgen being polemical to the then modern world of ancient Rome & its philosophy and religion. To ignore this is folly.

Agree to disagree then ;). I still enjoy talking to you no matter what.

I suppose where I come from it is different. Sorry about that. Because I see Calvies posting in the thread but not voting, I'm dissatisfied. I am really interested in seeing where many of you think on this. While I get our hesitancy in answering difficult and lofty questions, we do this...